IRREFUTABLE REFUTATION OF PRETERISM!
The following is a defense of preterism by Ed Stevens with my refutation in bold.
What Is The Preterist View?
Is the End of the World near? Are we living in the Last Days? Is Christ's return at hand? For 150 years here in America we have constantly been told we were living on the threshold of the end of the world and Christ's return. Prediction after prediction has failed to materialize, and false hope after false hope has been foisted upon the Christian community. Many Christians have been disillusioned, and are already looking for more reasonable explanations. Some have been so disillusioned they left the faith
altogether. And the secular media (who are always looking for an excuse) are further discrediting Christianity because of it. Something is terribly wrong with traditional views of Bible Prophecy. There is a serious need to re-examine the whole issue of Last Things. [Ed. note: Bible students should not search out the truth of a doctrine because some false teachers have propagated a lie of the devil -- Pre-Tribulation Rapture? Serious Bible students should examine a doctrine because they want to know the truth. It is proper to refute false doctrine, but we should never seek to create a doctrine to refute a popular false doctrine. When one has a wrong motive in studying the Bible one always comes to a wrong understanding of a passage or doctrine. The motive of the preterists is wrong and they have come to an erroneous understanding of eschatology.]
Bible prophecy can be understood, but Futurist views have fallen far short for many reasons: their extreme physical/ literalizing approach, their seeming inability to distinguish between figurative and literal language, and their failure to properly take into account the historical-grammatical-cultural context of the prophecies (specifically what they meant to their original audience). Even the most difficult prophetic passage comes alive when approached properly. It is time to look at some alternatives, and the Preterist view is a great place to start. [Ed. note: The claim that the futurists' understanding of eschatology falls short is not convincing. It is the preterists who have an extreme approach of allegorizing nearly everything, who are unable to understand what is literal and what is symbolic, and who do not take into account the historical-grammatical-cultural context.
When a student of the Bible does not believe a specific doctrine he must never pick another doctrine and use it as a base to formulate a personalized doctrine. That is what all cult leaders do.
True Bible students do not choose a doctrine and then find Scripture to support it. Instead they search out the correct doctrine on a subject by studying the Scriptures daily (Acts 17.11) and praying that the HOLY SPIRIT give them understanding (I Yochanan 2.20,27).
One must find every passage dealing with a specific doctrine and do a written exegetical study of those passages. He must compare all of them and put them together like a jigsaw puzzle to come to a complete understanding. If a student misses just one passage he may come to an incorrect understanding.
As far as I know no one or no group has done a written exegetical study on every passage in the Bible dealing with the last things and put them together to come to a proper understanding of eschatology. I am working on it and have already realized that preterism, amillennialism, postmillennialism, dominion theology, covenant theology, historicism, pre-tribulationism, mid-tribulationism, post-tribulationism and pre-wrath late-tribulationism are all wrong!]
What is the Preterist view, you say? "Preterist" means past in fulfillment, and "Futurist" means future in fulfillment. Preterist basically means the opposite of Futurist. Futurists believe most end-time prophecies (especially the major ones) are yet to be fulfilled. Preterists believe that most or all of Bible Prophecy has already been fulfilled in Christ and the on-going expansion of His Kingdom. Most Futurists do not really believe Christ has been successful yet in fully establishing His kingdom. [Ed. note: The preterist fail to understand that there are two kingdoms -- a spiritual kingdom and a physical one. When YAHSHUA said the "kingdom of YAHWEH is at hand" (Leviy-Matt. 3.2), He meant the spiritual kingdom. The physical kingdom (Yechezqel-Ezek. 40-48) will be established when He physically returns.]
The "Preterist" interpretation of Bible prophecy has been mentioned several times in publications such as Christianity Today, Christian News, Great Christian Books catalog, World Magazine, and several others. There are two daily radio programs around the country teaching from the preterist perspective and several monthly and quarterly publications. Scores of preterist books, tracts, video and audio tapes have been produced and many more are on the way. It is beginning to capture significant public attention, and is "spreading like wildfire" at the grass roots level. It takes a conservative approach to Scripture, and is compatible with the essential beliefs of Christianity, and is already represented in nearly all denominations. [Ed. note: What are those two radio programs? Preterism is not capturing "significant public attention" and it is not "spreading like wildfire." Less than one percent of "Christians" know what the preterism is and fewer still believe it. It takes an extremely, liberal approach to Scripture and it is totally incompatible with the essential beliefs of Messianic Faith. It denies the physical return of YAHSHUA IMMANUEL YAHWEH of Nazareth to Earth and the physical resurrection of the bodies of believers (Iyob-Job 19.26; I Kor. 15.35-54; I Thes. 4.16). Those are two primary doctrines that cannot be denied by true believers in YAHSHUA who are walking in the HOLY SPIRIT (Gal. 5.16,25) and being taught by Him. Only backslidden and or apostate believers deny those primary doctrines. Since these two essential doctrines of Messianic Faith are denied by the preterists it is highly probable that some of them may not be born from above. They could be the false teachers that Paulos and Keph (Peter) warned us about (2 Tim. 4.3,4; 2 Keph-Peter 2.1).]
When will Christ return? This is a meaningful question, and can be answered by scripture. Jesus seems to have answered it very clearly in these passages (Matt. 10:23; Matt. 16:27,28; Matt. 24:34). Ever wonder why the First Century Christians expected Jesus to come in their lifetimes, and where they got this expectation from? [Ed. note: The statement in Leviy-Matt. 10.23 does not prove that YAHSHUA returned in 70 A.D. The statement is to the disciples and all who have believed in YAHSHUA through the millennium. YAHSHUA will return when believers have gone through all the cities of Yisrael (the Anglo-Saxon nations -- not Palestine). It is a serious error to think YAHSHUA was referring to the cities of Palestine. This statement is absolute proof that YAHSHUA did not return in 70 A.D. The disciples did not preach the Gospel in every city in Palestine, England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Danmark, Norway, Sweden, Holland, Normandy and Iberia. Paulos preached in a few cities in Iberia and England. No other disciples preached the Gopsel in the other lands of Yisrael.
Leviy-Matt. 16.27,28 is not a statement that the disciples would see the physical return of YAHSHUA. He merely told them they would get a preview of what it would be like at His return. That preview took place six days later (Leviy-Matt. 17.1-9). The account of the transfiguration was written immediately after this statement so no one would get confused and think it was a statement referring to the Second Advent of YAHSHUA. We know the disciples could not see the Second Advent because YAHSHUA told them they would not see it (Lk. 17.22). He told them this a second time just prior to His ascension (Acts 1.6,7). No true believer who is taught by the HOLY SPIRIT can misconstrue these clear statements.
Leviy-Matt. 24.34 is a clear statement that the generation alive when the Tribulation started would live to see the physical return of YAHSHUA. It is impossible to think YAHSHUA meant the believers of the First Century A.D. would live to see His physical return. The key is "this" generation. The generation that sees all the things take place that YAHSHUA prophesied about would see His physical return. There is no need to understand "generation" as race. It is a reference to time not lineage. None of these statements by the Lord even hint at the possibility of the doctrine of preterism.]
Take a look at the extreme sense of imminency in these passages: James 5:8,9; 1 Pet. 4:7; Matt. 10:23; Matt. 16:27,28; Matt. 24:34. These verses have always troubled Bible students, and have been used by liberal theologians to attack the inspiration of Scripture. They reason that these passages were not fulfilled when they were supposed to be (the first century generation), so Jesus and the NT writers failed in their predictions and were therefore not inspired. But these verses point to Christ's coming in some sense in connection with the Fall of Jerusalem at AD 70. So, Jesus' predictions were fulfilled. He did not fail, nor do we need to engage in theological gymnastics to try to explain-away the seeming delay or postponement of His return. It happened right on schedule. Many knew the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 was important in God's plan of redemption, but never understood its full significance. The final events of the redemptive drama came to pass in the first century within the apostles' generation (before AD 70). Christ's kingdom is here now. Paradise has been restored in Christ (spiritually-speaking). We live in the Garden of Eden now (if we are in Christ), just as sure as we can know we have "eternal life." These are present and abiding benefits, not pie-in-the-sky bye-and-bye. Christ has conquered all His enemies and has given us the Kingdom. [Ed. note: The preterists claim that the phrases "at hand" or "draws near" means YAHSHUA had to return in a short period of time is self-destructive. The first phrase they use to try to prove YAHSHUA returned soon after His resurrection is -- "has drawn near." That phrase is translated "Draweth nigh" in the King James and "at hand" in the NASB. The KJV is closer to the actual meaning of the phrase. The Yavan word "eggizo" (Strong's 1448) means to "make near, approach." This passage should be translated "because the coming of the Lord draws nearer..." It is a major mistake to claim "draws nigh" or "draws near" means it is an event that will take place in a very short period of time.
We know for certain that the phrase "draws near" cannot mean the Lord would return in a short period of time because the alleged return of YAHSHUA took place about 25 years after Yaaqob wrote his letter. No rational person can claim 25 years is near! That is as absurd as the false prophets Hal Lindsey and Jack van Impe saying in 1970, that YAHSHUA would return soon. Soon is a matter of months or at the latest one year. Twenty-five years is far beyond "soon" or "draws near" or "at hand." Even if the preterists want to late date this letter the latest date possible is 63 A.D. because that is the year that Yaaqob was martyred for his faith. Seven years is still not "soon" "at hand" or "draws near."
The phrase "the end has drawn near" in I Keph-Peter 4.7 does not mean the Second Advent of YAHSHUA was a few months or a year away. It couldn't mean that because Keph wrote his letter in 62 or 63 A.D. Seven years is not "near" or "at hand." The preterists must stretch the normal understanding of what "near" and "at hand" mean to make their case. The phrase should be translated "has drawn nearer." That is the only translation that makes sense.
Leviy-Matt. 10.23; 16.27,28 and 24.34 have no imminency about them. I have already explained what those passages mean. I am surprised the author of this piece did not include Revelation 1.1,3 and 22.7,12,20. The phrase "for the time is near" (Rev. 1.3) is better than the ones he used. Even though it appears to mean YAHSHUA would return within months or a year from the time it was written it does not.
The phrase "the things which must shortly take place" simply means that when they start they will be completed quickly. They will not drag out for decades or centuries. That is what YAHSHUA meant when He said "unless those days had been cut short, not life would have been saved" (Leviy-Matt. 24.22). He didn't mean the seven year period would be cut short (Dan. 9.27) -- He meant the time of the Tribulation was cut short to seven years so some people would survive it.
We know this is the only possible understanding because that is what the Yavan says. The Yavan word, "tachu" means "shortly, i.e. without delay, soon, or (by surprise) suddenly, or (by impl. of ease) readily: -- lightly, quickly" (Strong's 5035).
All YAHSHUA is saying is that when He returns He will return in an extremely quick manner. He will appear out of nowhere. It will be a surprise to those who are not watching for His return (I Thes. 5.2-4; Rev. 3.3; 15.15). The context demands that the translation be "suddenly" (by surprise) not in a short period of time.
The phrase should be translated, "the things which must take place in a brief space of time" rather than "the things which must take place within a brief space of time." There is a massive difference in these and the failure to understand the proper translation has led some to believe a false doctrine.
The phrase "for the time is near" (Rev. 1.3) must be taken in context. YAHSHUA says that those who read the prophecy and keep it are blessed. The revelation was given so believers would know when the Lord would return. To be able to learn when He would return they would study it carefully and watch for the events described in it to take place. If Yochanan (John) wrote it in 68 A.D. as the preterists claim -- believers had less than two years to study it. That is not enough time to study it to be able to understand it unless someone was studying it eight hours a day.
I spent about two hours a day for a year to finish the first draft of my commentary on it. I would need a few more years to compare the Old Testament and other New Testament passages on eschatology with it, proof-read and edit it for publication and come to a near thorough understanding of it. I could study it for decades and not understand everything in it fully.
It is illogical for one to think that YAHSHUA gave this vitally important revelation less than two years before His return. It is not enough time for believers to study it and have a meaningful understanding of it, especially since the vast majority of believers never read it. The New Testament writings took several years to be circulated throughout the Roman Empire. YAHSHUA would not wait until the very last year or so to give this revelation.
It is also absurd to think that the Lord would give to Paulos revelation concerning His return about 15 years before He gave His revelation to Yochanan. Paulos wrote only a few passages about the Second Advent (I Korinthians 15; I Thessalonians 5; 2 Thessalonians 2). Why would YAHSHUA give those revelations to Paulos 15 years before He gave His "magnum opus" to Yochanan? If He knew He would return in 70 A.D. wouldn't He give the Revelation to His Body 15 or more years before He returned? Why would He wait until less than two years before His return to give His incredible revelation? It simply does not make sense.
The fact that very few theologians prior to the 20th Century even bothered to study eschatology because they considered it too difficult is a powerful proof that YAHSHUA would not give His revelation to His Body less than two years before His return. To do so would be an colossal act of incompetence and cause all rational people to question His divinity! Since the divinity of YAHSHUA of Nazareth is beyond question the preterist doctrine must be wrong!
How could such a massive revelation be of any value to believers, especially since 99% of them never saw it prior to 70 A.D. Preterism serves no useful purpose for preterists today except to refute the futurists. That is a colossal waste of time. The preterists should devote all of their time to sharing the Gospel with the lost, not trying to convert futurists, historicists and others to their doctrine. Their false doctrine cannot edify anyone or further the spread of the Gospel. It can only confuse and hinder the spread of the Gospel.
YAHWEH Elohim made prophecies through Their prophets that were not fulfilled for several hundreds years. Why would They change that pattern in the New Testament dispensation and make prophecies that were fulfilled in a matter of a few decades and in the case of the book of Revelation less than two years? It doesn't make sense and it is contrary to Their nature, pattern and statement that They never change (Ibriy-Heb. 13.8).
It should be noted that if the Lord has yet to make His second appearance the book of Revelation is vitally important! It has several warnings in it for people to not worship the beast or take his mark (13.10-18; 14.9-11; 18.4; 20.4). The consequences of not heeding those warnings is eternal torture in the Lake of Fire (14.9-11)!
So what does the phrase "for the time is near" mean? Since the Yavan word "eggus" is a verb it must be translated "nearer" rather than "near." The translation "at hand" is improper and gives the impression it will take place within a short space of time. We know "nearer" is correct because Keph (Peter) used another variation of this verb ("eggizo" - Strong's 1448) in his first letter (4.7). The New American Standard has a footnote explaining this. It is tragic that such a pernicious, false doctrine could be created because of a faulty translation of a few passages. This is not surprising since myriad other false doctrines have been peddled to Adamkind by the devil and his minions through poor translations. A prime example is Deuteronomy 6.4.]
This view offers a much more positive and realistic worldview. It is conservative, consistent, optimistic, responsible and accountable. And it robs us of no motivation for either living the Christian life, or evangelizing the world. In fact, it's the only view which gives us a consistent reason for being constructively involved in making the world a better place for the long-term. [Ed. note: The preterist view offers a negative and unrealistic worldview. Since YAHSHUA is not returning all believers can hope for is death! The wicked have been in control of the nations and millions of believers have been martyred for their faith. Thousands are being martyred every year around the world with no hope of a cessation of this slaughter.
The future looks bleaker than ever before with the move toward a world government, one world economy and one world religion. When the new world order is established believers in YAHSHUA IMMANUEL YAHWEH of Nazareth the Mashiyach will be hunted down and martyred by the millions. Only a few thousand will escape the slaughter and they will not escape martydom for long. Eventually all believers will be exterminated from planet Earth. That is what the preterist worldview is. It is the most depressing and debilitating worldview imaginable! It is worse than the prediction of world tyranny by Eric Blair!
It is an extremely liberal, non-Biblical, inconsistent, pessimistic, irresponsible and unaccountable view. If it were accepted by the vast majority of believers and preached by them, few if any of the wicked would be saved. It would also cause tens of millions of believers to abandon their faith and live like the wicked. This doctrine is so pernicious that it must be refuted out of existence.
Another devastating impact of this devilish doctrine is its denial of the existence of the devil, fallen angels and demons. According to the preterists -- the devil, fallen angels and demons have been judged and are currently burning in the Lake of Fire. We are not battling against them as Paulos said (Eph. 6.10-18). Instead we are only fighting our own sin nature (Yaq. 1.14,15). According to the preterists large sections of the Bible can be ripped out because they no longer apply to us. They are taking away from Thee Infallible, Holy Word of YAHWEH Elohim with their demonic doctrine. They are in danger of being judged for this (Rev. 22.18).
The true doctrine of eschatology does not rob believers of motivation for living for the Lord or for evangelizing the lost. It is the only view which gives us a consistent reason for being constructively involved in making the world a better place for the long-term. It is the false prophets like Hal Lindsey, Jack van Impe, Chuck Smith, Edgar Wisenut, and Harold Camping, that have caused millions of believers and thousands of 501c3 CEOs to hold --up, waiting for the Lord to return at any time. Many have been fooled by these false teachers and have dropped out. They have warmed pews and waited for the Lord to rescue them from a sad life. Some have been motivated to serve the Lord more, but very few have.
If there were true bishops teaching eschatology correctly we would not have millions of believers and pseudo-believers hoping the Lord would returned any day. We would know that specific events must take place before YAHSHUA returns and we would not be wishing for a one-way ticket to Heaven. We would be serving the Lord more each day while watching for those events -- a worldwide peace treaty (I Thes. 5.3), the apostasy and the identification of the beast (2 Thes. 2.1-3) and the breaking of the first five seals of the Tribulation (Rev. 6.1-11).
We would also be seeking out bishops who could disciple us and then we would disciple others, especially our families. We would be sharing our faith with the lost (Ps. 35.28; 71.15,24) and encouraging the brethren on a daily basis (Ibriy-Heb. 10.24,25). Many believers would also seek positions of leadership in all areas of life from athletics to politics.]
Bible prophecy absolutely makes sense when approached from this past-fulfillment (preterist) perspective! It puts emphasis on the spiritual nature of God's Kingdom, not on the physical, materialistic, sensual, and sensational. It teaches a realized spiritual salvation in Christ and the Church now, instead of a frustrated hope for a postponed sensually-gratifying paradise way off in the future. It has an optimistic worldview that gets involved, makes a positive difference, and lights a candle, rather than cursing the darkness, longing for a rapture-escape, or retreating from society. It doesn't engage in wild-eyed speculation like futurist views. It's just simple, straight- forward Bible interpretation. [Ed. note: The preterist claim concerning all eschatology is nonsense! It is clearly not Scriptural and it is not supported by history or anything else! There is no evidence for it to be found anywhere in the Cosmos!
The preterist emphasis on the spiritual nature of the Kingdom of YAHWEH is good, but its clear denial of two future physical kingdoms -- Millennial Kingdom (2 Yahshua 11.6-9; 65.17-25; Rev. 20.1-10; etc.) and Eternal Kingdom (Rev. 21.1-22.21) -- is harmful to believers. Denial of clear doctrines -- no matter what they are -- always harms individual believers and the Body of YAHSHUA. The major problem with the preterists and amillennialists is their rejection of the literal statements in the Bible. They tend to allegorize most prophetic passages, especially passages concerning the last days.
They deny the physical resurrection of dead believers as Paulos described in detail (I Kor. 15). Denial of that primary doctrine is heresy! All preterists who deny physical resurrection of the bodies of dead believers are heretics! They are teaching an ancient heresy that Paulos himself condemned (I Tim. 1.18-20; 2 Tim. 2.17,18)! They taught the resurrection had taken place. Since no one would believe them if they taught a resurrection of physical bodies they taught a resurrection of spirits. They were the first to teach preterism.
It is worth noting that Ken Davies and Harley James openly admit that are teaching the false doctrine that Hymenaeus and Alexander taught. Paulos said they were blaspheming YAHWEH! They claim Hymenaeus and Alexander taught it a few years too soon. Had they waited five years or so they would have been right. Incredible! Davies, James and all preterists who deny the literal bodily resurrection of the corpses of believers are heretics according to their own words! They have condemned themselves!]
Some of the great theologians and scholars of the last 300 years have suggested the preterist view for consideration, but traditional Christianity was too caught up with the idea that the Pope was the Antichrist or some other such Futurist notion. But that has changed. We are not as gullible now as they were when William Miller, Darby, Russell, Rutherford, Scofield, Walvoord, and Hal Lindsey came along. A constant barrage of false predictions has made us more wary. [Ed. note: False prophecies by spiritual nuts do not nullify a clear doctrine.]
Over a hundred years ago, Dr. James Stuart Russell (1816- 1895), pastor of a Congregational Church in Bayswater, England (no relation to Chas. T. Russell of Jehovah's Witness infamy), wrote a book entitled, THE PAROUSIA - A Critical Inquiry Into The New Testament Doctrine Of Our Lord's Second Coming. It is now back in print and selling well in Christian bookstores in America and elsewhere. This is the most popular introduction to and defense of the preterist view of Bible Prophecy in print today. [Ed. note: I have to question this claim that Russell's book is selling well. I had never heard of it until I tuned in to the radio show hosted by Ken Davies on preterism. A number of how many books have been sold in the reprint would be helpful.]
Most theologians in Europe a century ago took a preterist approach, so it is not surprising to hear some of Russell's well-known contemporaries say nice things about his book: F. W. Farrar said the book was "full of suggestiveness." Milton Terry, who wrote Biblical Hermeneutics, quoted extensively from Russell's book and fully endorsed Russell's preterist approach. Charles H. Spurgeon, who did not hold the preterist view, nevertheless stated that the book "throws so much new light upon obscure portions of the Scriptures, and is accompanied with so much critical research and close reasoning, that it can be injurious to none and may be profitable to all." [Ed. note: Kind words by fallible men do not make a false doctrine a correct doctrine. Why is it that the preterists could only find two contemporaries of Russell who had anything good to say about his work?]
Well-known conservative writers and theologians in our day are saying similar things about Russell and the preterist view. Listen to these statements by Gary DeMar, Dr. R. C. Sproul, Dr. Kenneth Gentry and Walt Hibbard. [Ed. note: That's a bit better, but they should be able to produce a few dozen theologians who have something good to say about Russell's work -- not just five.]
"How many times have you struggled with the interpretation of certain Biblical texts related to the time of Jesus' return because they did not fit with a preconceived system of eschatology? Russell's Parousia takes the Bible seriously when it tells us of the nearness of Christ's return. Those who claim to interpret the Bible literally, trip over the obvious meaning of these time texts by making Scripture mean the opposite of what it unequivocally declares. Reading Russell is a breath of fresh air in a room filled with smoke and mirror hermeneutics." - (Gary DeMar - Author of Last Days Madness) [Ed. note: I have heard Gary on the radio and his understanding of eschatology is extremely limited.]
"I believe that Russell's work is one of the most important treatments on Biblical eschatology that is available to the church today. The issues raised in this volume with respect to the time-frame references of the New Testament to the Parousia are vitally important not only for eschatology but for the future debate over the credibility of Sacred Scripture." - (Dr. R. C. Sproul - Chairman, Ligonier Ministries) [Ed. note: I have his book on eschatology and will soon refute it. From what I have heard him say his understanding of eschatology is dreadful!]
"Although I do not agree with all the conclusions of J. Stuart Russell's The Parousia, I highly recommend this well-organized, carefully argued, and compellingly written defense of preterism to serious and mature students of the Bible. It is one of the most persuasive and challenging books I have read on the subject of eschatology and has had a great impact on my own thinking. Russell's biblico-theological study of New Testament eschatology sets a standard of excellence." - (Dr. Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr. - Author of Before Jerusalem Fell) [Ed. note: I have heard Ken teach on eschatology and I am in the process of going through it with him if he is willing. His understanding of it is very limited.]
"In view of Dr. Russell's marvelous and insightful observations, no serious student of Biblical eschatology should attempt to construct a systematic scheme of apocalyptic events without first consulting this 19th century work, The Parousia." - (Walt Hibbard - Former Chairman, Great Christian Books) [Ed. note: I am not familiar with Hibbard.]
Russell's book is certainly very helpful in understanding Bible prophecy, but many have discovered the preterist view through their own independent study of scripture. Biblical prophecy is bursting with meaning for them now. If you haven't taken a look at the past-fulfillment approach to Biblical prophecy, it is time you did. [Ed. note: Russell's book cannot help anyone understand eschatology better. I seriously doubt anyone has come to the preterist position by studying the Bible with no outside influences. I would love to speak with anyone who has made this claim. Notice no name was listed. It is a bogus claim.
The worst thing to do is to study a doctrine by using the writings of fallible men. A true Bible student studies every passage in Thee Infallible, Holy Word of YAHWEH Elohim dealing with a specific doctrine (Acts 17.11) and relying on the HOLY SPIRIT to teach him (I Yochanan 2.20,27). After he has put all the passages together in a harmonious consensus he can then consult commentaries, books and bishops to see if he has been given the proper understanding.
The worst thing a Bible student can do is study commentaries, books, tapes, etc. to come to an understanding of a doctrine.]
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